Looks like it’s back to Harn.

The action cards are also nothing more a different way to represent things that have been around for ages. I fail to see how action cards can be considered an evil, but a book filled with page upon page of magical spells is okay. I’d much rather just have easy to organize and use cards representing the spells I can cast then have to flip open a book every time I cast a spell.

Even the martial abilities fall in the same category. Look back at D&D, and remember the rules for bull rushing, disarming, grappling, etc? Every time someone wanted to use those abilities, you’d have to open up a book, and wham, reread the rules. With Warhammer 3E, these actions are put on easy to reference cards.

Yes, it’s different. That’s the point. I don’t want to have to open up a book or be forced to memorize the rules every time I want to do something. Finally, at the end of the day, you aren’t limited by the rules. The rules give you a guideline, but the game master has the final say. The only limiting factor is people’s ability to accept that a different presentation doesn’t change the fundamentals of a role playing game.

Finally, I keep finding it odd that people talk about how you can only play with 4 players. I’ve not seen anything that restricts this. The core game might give you the materials for 4 players, but I don’t see how it is any different then a new character sheet that you can print out. Oh no! You aren’t using officially approved character sheets or you might share cards! The horror!

Honestly, so many complaints about how 3E is violating the tradition of role playing games, all from people who seem to forget what role playing games are all about. Which is a shame, because I see FFG trying to put out yet another Fantasy RPG, a genre which is brimming with competitors, and trying to do something different to attract new players without compromising what a role playing game is.

It’s a shame.

Having a cribbage board with pegs to move along as you score is nice, but really you just need a pen, paper and the ability to count to 121.
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Zzarchov: I never said it wasn’t an RPG. You can have your tokens and markers and all the hassle of hauling them around and keeping up with them. I’ll stick to pencil-and-paper.

WFPR, while not as streamlined as DH/RT is still an excellent and straight forward system. I’m extremely sad that it’s now out of print, because I would quite like to have built up a collection of the books.

My main issue with 3rd ed is that it’s designed for 2 to 4 players. If you want the bits required for more players, you have to buy an expansion. It’s a rather strange and very board-game-esque style of marketing.

However, I still want to try playing WFRP 3rd ed.
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I couldn’t help laughing when I got to that statement. Complaining a game isn’t an RPG because it uses special dice is one of those statements you should step back from and see it how an outsider would see that statement in a den of d20s.

Using tokens and markers instead of a complicated score sheet (which is what a character sheet is to outsiders) makes A LOT of sense. In board games that shifted from score sheets to tokens and markers, it reduces the constant eraser smudges and errors in math.

I use such tools in all RPG’s I play. Poker chips for HP is the most common one I use.

http://zzarchov.blogspot.com/2009/06/why-no-love-for-play-area-improving.html
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